brain fade, you are not the only ex-Loganair bod here. Unlike your average civilian transport pilot, the Chinook crew were actually trained to operate low-level VFR. I spent a lot of my formative years in and around Kintyre; I have walked over it, flown over it and sailed around it. I make no claim to know what happened that day and no amount of "local knowledge" without an actual understanding of the SH role will convince me otherwise.