Thank you all for responding, great stuff to know. in response to hughes500's question, I'm not to sure I think the 341 but just out of interest what is the difference between the two. Does the gazelle have a greasing programe. Is the type aerobatically certified. Have been told that you never want the wind on your left in the hover or your heading for trouble, is the authority that bad or is this just a case of "its a hot ship so your going to hurt yourself" syndrome. I only ask because a few people seem to think that the type is somewhat tricky to master. any thoughts appreciated.