i totally agree with bane, i`ve worked for BY for 18 years and hate it so much, that i am leaving, management stinks, havn`t got a clue, and i`m sorry but TFLYguy and BYLADY, god your so brain washed, wake up and smell the coffee, i`m going to a proper company that not only pays well but treat their staff with respect, its called TESCO, thank god i`m out, and by the way thomsonfly`s pension is doomed, i`d take one out else where.