This thread is an eye opener of the naivety that appears to prevail in Jet2... Sorry to say but you lot are about to be done over by your boss who is oh so way ahead of any of you....
A mate of mine told me the experience level in Jet2 was fairly low, now I can see it, have any of you got any previous experience of the kind of skulldugery airline managements excel in...??? Doubt it.
Now, where to begin...
Dewpoint:
will join anything but balpa, an absolute waste of money. just remember tho' chaps, at times like this, as skippers, we are in a perfect position to "ease the pain" a little.
'Ease the pain', are you going to pay the F/O's who are being royaly done over?? No, didn't think so...
clearfortheoption
Hi guys and girls,I have spoken to some FOs who are willing to join a union,however many wouldn't touch Balpa due to bad experiences in the past
Are you and Dewpoint joined at the hip? How can F/O's straight from Flight School have 'bad experiences'..?
Pilothouse
Yes, our T's and C's are, on paper, worse than dreadful. BUT:
...then witters on about rosters and lifestyle make up for it all.... they are not mutually exclusive you know! (Management stooge alert here...
)
Silverhawk
The management are not the enemy. They are not stupid.It is in their interests for the staff to be retained, however one of their goals is to retain the staff as cheaply as possible.
Silverhawk, mate, I like the cut of your jib... but please... get a grip!
Management
ARE the enemy, you better wise up quick matey... Coz sure as sh!t they view you lot as public enemy number 1... And they are not about to get all touchy feely with you either...
There is always a place for common sense and the voice of reason.
All one way though...
Choose the right tool for the job. In our case, being a fairly small outfit, the correct tool in my opinion, is the T&G.
Choose
ANY union
OTHER than Balpa and you are wasting your time, trust me...
MANBLK
The meeting seems to have come about through the sheer volume of complaint that has reached Bournemouth. In fact, I suspect that a group of pilot managers have got together and told the originator of the letters to sort out the mess that he has created.
They will be giving him a big pat on the back more like...
I've nothing against a union, but this is a far better response than you would ever get if a union were involved. In my experience, BALPA would have (eventually) met with management behind closed doors and some sort of deal would have been struck which would have completely shafted some minority of the workforce in favour of another minority.
When will you get it through your little heads that Balpa are but a tool at your disposal, and damn good tool, but a tool none the less, they do what
you ask them to do, and Balpa is
you, through a Company Council.
I'm on for the T&G, particularly as they can represent cabin crew too.
Completely irrelevant to whats being discussed here.
I've had a chat with a member of pilot management about pay and dual basing and received a warm response, and I'm sure there will be no repercussions in this case.
Dry behind your ears son...
Having said all that (phew), there does seem to be some cohesion amongst many Jet2 crew, but for your own well being and longevity,
please wisen up guys. Management are the enemy, pure and simple, to think anything else is suicide. Sure, be nice, be polite, but in the dark smoke filled rooms, be militiant. Be very very careful of quasi management types 'being on your side'... Types who spout that type of drivel usually cannot lie straight in bed...
Someone mentioned that your boss will never recognise a union, well he has no choice in the matter, he seems to model himself on MOL, so maybe he needs some of what MOL's about to get...
I have to say that many posters to this thread seem to have a 'rose tinted spectacles' view of modern airline management, probably because as I said
earlier your company is full of low houred people (& ex mil yes men), but no one else is going to protect your T&C's!
To sum up, get organised, get Balpa involved, and get
respect.