Guys, guys guys. Take first year. Anybody that makes $40000 and makes themselves live off a $703 paycheck, puts the difference in an RRSP and saves the tax refund will have the same as a WJ dude and the ESP plan these days. Don't forget you pay income tax on the company's portion (and I'll admit I'm not sure about capital gains tax). So you've made my point - you guys don't do the math. Good for you guys for getting the raise, however you figure it out. I think the payscale is about as honest as a timeshare salespitch in Florida - it makes a lot of assumptions on stock value and always makes the best case scenario. I object to the arrogance of raising the bar for the world type of statement. You finally got to where you should have been 10 years ago. Bravo. Let's just not forget it's WJ that set such a low standard in the first place.