you are absolutely right. the F70 is no longer really a modern jet with itīs old Tay engines. BUT, if the the jungle jets are so great why didnīt SAX buy them? Talking to the guys that fly them here in europe they have lots of good things to say about the Embraer, but they also state that they are a bit underpowered . All good for the low altitude airports here but what about a lekker highveld summer?