Exactly Darkstar....unfortunately listening to some of my colleagues, you would think that they had another means of support and weren't paying their bills from their BA salary. The Americans have got it right when they say that the management are "taking food from the mouths of my children". We need to stop pussy footing around and acting like gentlemen or "professionals" because around the negotiating table with BA it doesn't count for anything. Hence BASSA and the TGWU have historically got better deals because the company know that it will cost them more money than they would save if they push them too far. BALPA will bend over backwards to help the company, though I do detect a glimmer of hope judging by recent BALPA comms. Perhaps they're starting to listen to the membership?