No sour grapes on my part chaps, I had an invite to join a while back and declined due to not feeling comfortable with the whole concept. Alot of what has been said in this thread has alleviated some of my concerns over freemasons but I still haven't heard any good reasons for the secrecy. I guess that is a secret. It will just have to remain a myth, life would be boring if we didn't have myths anyway, wouldn't it? The truth is often less exciting than the story!