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Old 10th Mar 2006, 08:26
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RVR800
 
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Its a right old mess

It used to be 60 months and was reduced under JAA to 36 months

There are people in the system who do NOT meet the 36 month criteria

I have met them

That is why LASORS says .................

"have passed the professional flight crew
examinations at ATPL level."

rather than what is said in JAR FCL-1...................

"Examination. An applicant for an
ATPL(A) shall have demonstrated a level of
knowledge appropriate to the privileges granted
to the holder of an ATPL(A) and in accordance
with the requirements in JAR–FCL 1 (Aeroplane)
Subpart J. [Amdt. 1, 01.06.00; Amdt. 3, 01.07.03]"

... because there are people with fATPL who do NOT meet the criteria described (with national exam passes) who have and will do multi crew ratings

You have to feel sorry for the CAA its proved very difficult to accommodate
the introduction of more draconian exam rules as JAR FCL-1 became law.
Although they presumably were at the meetings when all this nonsense was discussed. Could have been at the bar? The Helicopter stuff is in a right old mess - still interim draft etc - they got bored with that......

The thing I cant get my head round is why they fixate so much on the IR for airline pilot licence issue when....

1/ This 'single crew' IR is not needed for airliners and lapses for most
2/ The MPL doesnt even need it (September 2006 start)

In JAR-land they have used the IR flight test as an Airline Pilot (test of metal) check ride and in so doing have made it none accessible to PPL holders as the JAA now admit.....

In the UK less than 0.10 % of PPLs do it annually- a disaster - they are now planning to relax the exams to make it more accessible - In France etc its worse - no IMC rating there... there is a real problem here

Essentially the rating in JAA is exclusive whereas in FAA land its inclusive
hence the reason why many business men fly N in Europe - They havent got the time to complete the rigorous professional exams and prefer a straightforward integrated exam done at a test centre at a time of their own choosing

The agenda for all this is driven by the providers - its known in the teaching and learning world as "Provider driven training"

The irony is that if they sorted it out the industry would boom like in the USA .. but we are dealing here with people who make their living from regulation and from overpriced MCQ tests.

Happy new year to all at the CAA

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