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Old 23rd February 2006 | 10:11
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marsman,

Can some one for clarity please state all the IFR rules that must be obeyed
in order for the flight to be IFR


It is not simply about checking that the flight just happened to comply with the IFR rules - many VFR flights by day in VMC would qualify. My checks on a logbook with IFR time recorded would check;

Valid IMC or IR (night qualification for night outside controlled airspace in the UK).

Recency - sufficient instrument time in the past 28 days not to fall foul of the CAAs recomendation on instrument currency - ignoring that little gem could say something about attitude and what your plan was if you ended up in extended IMC. If the answer is that it was a 8/8 blue day or that you would avoid IMC then the entry should not be IFR.

The IFR flight rules were appropriate for the flight - not flying with a student on a cross country exercise for example.

Remember that your logbook is like writing a diary- it says more about you than a simple list of flights.

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BEagle,

The JAR-FCL uses the term operating. It says nothing about controlling.

It is obvious from the logbook entry that the flight was an instructional flight and that a student was doing their best.

Have a look at these logbook entries;

Pilot 1

EGXX 1200 EGYY 1300 Total 0100 IFR 0100 PIC 0100 Instructor 0100 Remarks-IMC training Pilot 2

Pilot 2

EGXX 1200 EGYY 1300 Total 0100 IFR 0100 Dual 0100 Remarks-Instrument flight time 0045, IMC training, pilot 1 signature.

The above flight was conducted in VMC because the Pilot in command did not record that the aircraft was operated by sole reference to instruments at any time. One can deduce from reading both entries together that the student was in simulated IMC (hood/screens).

Another example;

Pilot 1

EGXX 1200 EGYY 1300 Total 0100 IFR 0100 PIC 0100 Instructor 0100 Remarks-Instrument flight time 0030 IMC training Pilot 2

Pilot 2

EGXX 1200 EGYY 1300 Total 0100 IFR 0100 Dual 0100 Remarks-Instrument flight time 0045, IMC training, pilot 1 signature.

The above is the same flight with one big difference - for 30 minutes the flight was in IMC and the pilot in command was operating the aircraft by sole reference to instruments.

Can you suggest an alternative method to determine from logbook entries that the flight was legal?

Regards,

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