eire757, everyone knows this is a duff deal. I have not personally spoken to or heard of a single person who intends to vote YES and believe me I have looked for one! I am given to understand that in Germany there may be some confusion and the figures I have heard quoted are '50-50' in terms of the likely vote there. They are people who were literally facing a pay freeze followed by a pay cut - inevitably the proposed deal is a significant gain to them and is consequently more attractive. Added to that they have a far higher standard of living due to easier working conditions, favourable tax regimes and substantially cheaper costs of living. I hope that they will realise that the reason they have achieved the significant concessions they have is almost entirely due to the work of BALPA on their behalf. They are now required to step up to the plate and support their UK colleagues in ensuring a high percentage vote against the deal - I fully expect them to do so.