rmcdonal.....do the math!!! does it really matter....26 mins,10 mins ......as soon as you rotate???who cares....look at the end result....anything in between the part when it went bad to the outcome is meaningless....no cameras,no FDR,no Black Box.....
Tinpis....right on the money mate!!!!!....waitangi day was/is great....people are trying to invent culture,we already have it.....PB