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Old 1st February 2006 | 05:58
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Ali Bin Somewhere
 
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boeingdriverx the 2 top things on my wishlist are as follows


1) Callsign and level (if maintaining) or level passing and assigned level (if on climb/decent). If you give me more then that I wont complain, we dont need it but I wont complain but callsign and level is the min required for EVERY frequency change.

2)Either comply with the instruction given or tell me you cant. It doesn't matter how insignificant it seems to you, but the requirement is there for a reason and for safety reasons I need to know if you cant do it. It makes my job much easier and your flight lots safer if you are honest and tell me you can't comply. The earlier you tell me the more time it gives to do something else instead of a last min panic to make sure we dont have a break down of separation.

There are other things but we are human and no matter how good we are there will always be minor things that we ALL ( including ATC) do either incorrectly or in a way that you are not used to.


LDG NO BLUE yes I agree that we should be putting in incident reports and there is no excuse for not doing so. From a practical point of view there are 2 points to consider.

1) It takes about 20min to do a report. I had 11 that I should have done the other night and that was not including the height requirements on the STAR and at DUMPI so thats 220min. I get 90 min on break and 90min planner (assuming I am not being used on position to help when its busy) out of a 9 hour shift. Not sure how to fit it in.

2) Reports in the past have resulted in the grand total of nothing being done. Not blaming the safety folks here or at airlines but with pilot shortages in all the airlines would you ground/retrain someone for not making a requirement when no TCAS or break down in separation occured??

I am the first to admit that there are some very poor instructions given when it comes to sequencing and I cringe whenever I hear one being given. I would just say to you if presented with one of these instruction and you cant do it, tell the controller as sometimes that is the only way they learn.

Thanks to you all for replying. Hopefully it will help both pilots and ATC to improve the way we work.
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