Originally Posted by royalterrace
I hope the FO's ARE learning from that example.
So do I! That's the kind of proactive management of a flight that all Captains should employ.
I think you misread what I said. I never suggested that one should deice an obviously clean aircraft, providing that it has been determined by a proper inspection process (which as Tan said, must include the tail). What I said was that I question what motivates someone to take off in an obviously contaminated aircraft, as I have witnessed in the past, and as is alleged in the starting post in this thread. That to me is not only unsafe but foolhardy in today's world, where the consumer is often well informed.