Gentlemen, in an attempt to keep this thread on track, perhaps you should consider Fudpuckers statements as irony. In other words, if some PPRuNer writes "as Joe/Jane public knows very well, it's all automatic anyway, just a matter of pushing buttons." what he means is "as Joe/Jane public knows very well, it's all automatic anyway, just a matter of pushing buttons." When Fudpucker writes "as Joe/Jane public knows very well, it's all automatic anyway, just a matter of pushing buttons." what he means is "Anyone who believes that is stupid. Anyone who believes that I believe that doesn't understand irony."