SYDGIRL - I find no point you make with which I disagree - we may put different interpretations put on some events/matters of fact, but that is to be expected and the essence of civilised debate. Re my remarks about NZ not really being "foreign", I agree with you completely in the dictionary, legal sense, with all that implies for a situation such as occurred - I was referring to the over-arching sense of being near neighbours with basically common origins, political and judicial and legal systems, some similarities of language - although I have heard that disputed!! etc. My fundamental point of difference of interpretation, as referred to above, is about which organisation bled which dry - and that is going to a matter of (hopefully, progressively, with time) INFORMED opinion. Cheers.