Good grief, are you grown adults or school yard bullies? Thank goodness the only weapons you fellas have are words, or it would be "aircraft at 10 paces..."!!!. The last three posts have had nothing to do with the original thread and the back biting nastiness shows a total lack of disregard for your fellow ppruners. You don't send your aircraft where your brain hasn't been 5 minutes earlier, so how about you engage your brains before you open your mouths... or in this case your keyboards.