The system does not always win. I do have personal experience of this. I am still serving, the Sad Case that brought me to trial has left the Service early. I feel that this whole sorry buisiness has been brought about because of differing ideas as to who or what makes a good submariner. In particular, the long established practice of a boat's CO being given some say in the make up of his officer compliment. I do not know any of the people concerned. Let me just say that I would be more embarrased to see a two and a half cry than a 3 ringer give some one a good reaming. Bad though they both are.