Hey ZOO, if you were one of the "few", then you were where you were entitled to be. You would be wise, now, not to treat the heroes with whom you worked for ten years, with any less disgust than some of us already do.. .The pleaders for a separate forum because of your claim that '89 is dominant, well, maybe that should tell you something.. .The AA scabs are not forgotten. They exist, but they certainly hide behind the strides of their QF colleagues.. .As for the QF OS guys, their fearless leaders back in the early 1980's lead them over the cliff of "independent/we can do better by ourselves" mentality, and the Australian airline pilots are certainly paying now for that stupidity.. .You have to ask yourselves, how is it that the salary for a Captain on, say a B737, is not much above what was paid to the same equipment in 1989? And that takes nothing of inflation into account.. .Abeles got exactly what he wanted when he managed to get the heroes to scab. He wanted bus drivers salaries, and that is what all will have soon.. .The only rescue is getting back where all professional pilots belong, and that is under one umbrella in the AFAP, and BE UNIFIED AND ACTIVE!. .Unless you do, you will continue to take the profession into the oblivion that all managements want.. .Wake up before it is too late! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 03 March 2002, 01:11: Message edited by: Tool Time Two ]</small>