Re: Reading "Approved" back
BOOKWORM - I see your point on the read back of the reporting instruction, and the situation has arised in the classroom several times when the PPL-students are not yet certain on where to put their call-sign (at the beginning or at the end of their message) and then we get:
TWR: "O-XX report passing yyy VOR"
A/C: "O-XX, report passing yyy VOR - eeh , O-XX"
I then have to ask:" Are you reading back the instruction, or are you reporting your position"
Your example:
"G-ABCD report passing FL50 in the descent"
"[bzzt] passing FL50, G-ABCD"
the a/c call sign is at the end - hence this is an acknowledgement of the instruction, not a position report (in my head anyway).
What we are "spanked" by our CAA is the following procedure:
"G-ABCD report passing FL50 in the descent"
"(will) report passing FL50, G-ABCD"
- moments later
"[Call sign of controller, i.e. "Approach"], G-ABCD, passing FL50"
- note we are told that all messages should be adressed (knowing this is not done in the real world anyway), so the position report would be:
"G-ABCD, passing FL50"
The read back
"Fastair 345 wilco"
looks incorrect to be, as is should be
"Wilco, Fastair 345"
Doc 9432 is from 1990 and a I think a lot has changed since then.
I find this exchange of views and experience very giving so your comments are very welcome.
As already mentioned, I will mention our "embedded clearances" to our CAA next time I get the opportunity.
A total different question:
When a distress situation is over i.e. you engine has resumed running, do you use:
"Cancel Mayday" or "Cancel Distress". ??
We are told that "Cancel Mayday" is a big NO NO.