Post by Full Emergency
Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo
Beware of the armed airport Police, they are very bored and like to stop and lecture you if you hang about outside the terminal - even though it is very obvious you are a spotter.
The reason for this might be the fact that someone has called in to say that there is a person starring at the airport, wither from the public or the Control Tower.
The public is not to know that you are a spotter, so by standing there you are simply wasting police time, and there are better things (things that you never get to see) that we need to be doing with our time rather that moving you lot on.
I mostly work at LHR and I am actually very busy, not that you know that, you just take offence to us doing our jobs properly.
I have found that the best place to watch the planes come into land if the approach is from the city is from the roof of 1 Canada Sq. (Cannary Warf).......not that you would be allowed up there mind.
Oh and I have some lovely photos of me stood airside right by Concorde at LHR with my Glock and MP5.......
Post by MAN777 Full Emergency.
Obviously you are so tied up in your self importance to notice that several major airports actually encourage spotters on their perimeters, spotters are a mine of information and would probably be the first to notice and report anything unusual. Take a look at ringwayreports.co.uk and see how GMP actively communicate with them in a constructive manner. In addition I noticed you ask do spotters fly ? Of course they do, probably more in one year than you have flown in the last 10. As an enthusiast (as I prefer to be called)I have visited every continent except the antarctic in the last few years.
Sorry to keep you from your brew stop !
Post by Full Emergency
Originally Posted by MAN777
Full Emergency.
Obviously you are so tied up in your self importance to notice that several major airports actually encourage spotters on their perimeters, spotters are a mine of information and would probably be the first to notice and report anything unusual. Take a look at ringwayreports.co.uk and see how GMP actively communicate with them in a constructive manner. In addition I noticed you ask do spotters fly ? Of course they do, probably more in one year than you have flown in the last 10. As an enthusiast (as I prefer to be called)I have visited every continent except the antarctic in the last few years.
Sorry to keep you from your brew stop !
Brew stop?? Whats that?? GMP may encourage it, but I don't work there. Personally, I don't have a problem with "enthusiasts" but when it drags we away from what I should be doing because some "enthusiast" is trying to jump over one of the fences by the BA Maintenace area, just to get a better picture of the brand new Beoing 777 Long Range, then it does become a problem.
Glad you travel. So do I. SYD and back via BKK and also been to DFW to visit a friend who is a FAM. You don't know how much flying I really have done over the past 10 years, so I wouldn't comment on that. It was a serious question.
FE
Post by captain cumulonimbus
what i'd be interested to know is why,as FULLEMERGENCY said,would the police want to 'move someone on' if it is clear they are just an enthusiast?
There would be no legal justification to do so.
Or is England becoming a Police State?
Post by ??Tony??
hi
The is no logical reason for these checks only that they are Reguler ,bags
are Searched . id checked cars seached and then you are told on paper
"you have been stopped and questioned under the prevention of terrorism act
blah blah" its very obvious your a spotter Note books full of Registers etc
binoculers. cameras , badges all over coats but that does not deter them
you are in a sensitive place!. its the same at the Airshow THOUSANDS are
searched on way in ? what for ? i dont object cos i would be arrested
there and then . is it likely a terrorist would be in the same place as thousands of spotters ok i agree a poss Suicide bomber but there not really looking that hard . the same can be said of an ANGLER stopped on the
Basingstoke canal near the airfield his Bags emptied rods and all in case there
was a concealed Firearm or a Missile launcher ANGLERS Beware.
i leave it to you Security or Stupidity
tony
Post by Full Emergency
Originally Posted by captain cumulonimbus
There would be no legal justification to do so.
WRONG !!!!
Heathrow Airport Bye-Laws only allow people to enter
their property if they are there for one of the following reasons:
a) Are a bone-fided passenger with ticket travelling out of LHR.(including e-ticket)
b) Are arriving to meet and collect a
named passenger off a flight that has landed at LHR.
c) Work at the airport - including contractors, or dropping someone off at the airport who works there.
d) Been a named passenger on a flight that has landed at LHR. (These people must not take more than a reasonable amount of time to leave the property.)
The "property" includes the Perimeter Roads and the footbridge by Hatton Cross.
It does not include "shopping" or being an "enthusiast" There are signs positioned at the entrance to the area that is covered by the airport bye-laws informing you that you are now entering this area.
If you breach this bye-law you can be required to leave HAL property.
This can also be done by the use of force if necessary, although we try and aviod that at all costs. There is also a 24 hour rule that states that unless you are one of the above, you are also prohibited from re-entering HAL/BAA property with 24 hours.
If you do so, you can be arrested.
Don't believe me? Check with HAL/BAA.
FE
Originally Posted by Gulf4uk
the same can be said of an ANGLER stopped on the
Basingstoke canal near the airfield his Bags emptied rods and all in case therewas a concealed Firearm or a Missile launcher ANGLERS Beware.
You laugh, but it does and will happen. That is the power of Section 44 Terrorism Act 2000. It also counts if you are on private property or even your own.
I do not wish to start a debate about 'rights' etc as I just can't be bothered with all that. The fact is the Government which this country elected in power, handed the police these powers.
If you don't like the law, change the Government that is in office, and try and get it changed that way. No amount of moaning on an internet site will change it.
The fact is that the police, like it or not, have a job to do. It was funny how civil rights groups like Liberty were very quiet after the 7th July bombings. Give those bombers rights?? Please.........
FE
Post by ??Tony??
HI
I Certainly believe you as its private property same as when your XYL goes shopping to a shopping center she and everyone Else is a Guest you have no
right of entry. Spotters can be seen at Every Airfield and strip around the world apart from a few idiots i cannot remember any Damage or anything
else done by them ok mention of the Greek affair i suppose but thats a one
off i hope. Some of the most sensitive USAF bases(ok there all sensitive to the CIA\USM)Have large amounts of spotters there MILDENHALL, FAIRFORD , To name 2 and have good relations with security there. i really cannot understand why if you are doing nothing wrong by that i mean Parking and causing an obstrucion of roads, fire gates , NOISE, LITTER , Why they just cannot be left alone ok so a casual stroll past now and again just to show the flag is enough surely might make a few friends and people happy or is
that another thing we not allowed any more
TONY
Post by Full Emergency
Originally Posted by Gulf4uk
Why they just cannot be left alone ok so a casual stroll past now and again just to show the flag is enough surely might make a few friends and people happy or isthat another thing we not allowed any more
Why do you think that most spotters that are seen hanging around ARE left where they are. Only a few get stopped and spoken to in proportion to how many people are there.
FE
Phew! Hope that helps to make it clearer! Apologies again!