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Old 22nd Dec 2005, 17:54
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Thomas coupling
 
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Some 'americanisms' need sorting out first before one can answer the Q. Correct me if I'm wrong:

Auto Vs EOL:
When a yank states "auto" he means that the engine(s) is/are OFF. Brits call this an EOL (engine off landing) to differentiate from a brit auto which means power available throughout the manoeuvre (Brit spelling!).

VRS Vs SWP
When a yank says VRS (vortex ring state), they sometimes mean SWP (settling with power). The two of course are completely different phenomena. The former is a state where the pilot has NO control over the machine. The latter is where the a/c remains within its flight envelope and the pilot simply has too little collective margin left to compensate for the ROD at the bottom of a descent.

VRS Vs IVRS
Perhaps not an americanism, perse (french not american!) but sometimes when pilots talk about VRS, they mean the incipient stage where there is still the ability by a pilot to input a control demand and expect a response. As Nick stated earlier - "powering out of VRS"...actually it should read IVRS.
VRS - fully developed is where the pilot and crew (against their wishes) become passengers and aerodynamic forces will decide if control is returned to the pilot (by falling out of the VRS state of their own accord) or not.

Assuming the above:

A yank auto (EOL) cannot experience VRS, because the induced airflow decays as it is being injected (Decaying Nr).

A zero speed auto (EOL) ending in a massive collective input to position it in the hover cannot result in SWP, because there is no 'power'.
An auto with the engine running - ending in a massive collective input to the hover requires well above average skill, judgement and practice. But provided the ROD is inside the a/c's margin for collective recovery (Nr and AUM), then SWP shouldn't develop.

An engine running auto to a full stop in the hover from zero speed wouldnt incur VRS because the immediate onset of VRS is not possible, it wouldnt have time to precipitate.

Observations invited..............................
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