In reference to licensed Engineers I could not agree more as I used to be one,at one point I held approval on the F100,L1011 and B747-100,200 and 300,alas no more I got fed up with all the hassle that went with it and after 9/11 found myself out of a job so I simply moved into maintenace planning and tech services approvals have now lapsed but what the hell I am now in QA better paid easier life and treated like a human,its not only BA that have shaffted the Engineers as I have never worked for them but from what I have just read They are no better or worse than the ones that I have worked for.