Max (we seem to have calmed down a bit so I'll be a bit casual)
I think my point is that this thread ultimately has no point and last night I was looking a a way to fill some time having had a few. I have subsequently spent my time responding to direct attacks/discussion from those who didn't fully get my point/disagree
If we as professional pilots don't put our case forward in the strongest possible terms, who will?
What case are you putting forward and to who?
Do you intend to cherry pick the best points from this thread, go to your Ops director and say look we deserve more money because of x? It won't make any difference I can assure you.
Or is this thread simply for pilots to complain about the fact they aren't paid as much as they would like - in which case I would join in - sounds like a night down the pub; a group of pilots, a few beers and several hours of whinging and I'm there with the best of them.
As it is I am simply trying to offer another point of view but I feel as if I have 'defected' to the non-pilots side for not toeing tha party line!Our Ts & Cs will only improve if companies have no choice but to pay them. If an entire fleet rejects a pay deal and proposes industrial action people have to take notice! They cannot simply take on newcomers on worse Ts & Cs as has been happening steadily now for some time. As has been said by myself (and others) market forces rule - what you think you are worth depends only on how replaceable you are - not by how responsible/skillful you are or believe yourself to be. Pay can be improved if we all agree and take steps to ensure it. Dreamily opining that we are worth more than this is merely a waste of pixels.