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Old 8th December 2005 | 08:49
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Ropey Pilot
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I think we are getting away from the topic here and turning into a slagging match - I have an opinion and you obviously disagree but anyway...

Carnage, yes people who fail flight tests can drive a car. Some people can pass a driving test after 3 lessons, some will take many months and many attempts but they will still pass and a few will never learn. I believe that the same is true in aviation - some are naturals and learn quickly some will take a lot longer and fail more often and there are a few who will never pass. I believe there is nothing magical about aviation - if you can accelerate a car round a corner while changing gear, swithching to full beam, chat on your handfree mobile phone while looking out for hazards the whole time you have the co-ordination to use both hands and feet for different tasks at the same time and could probably be taught to fly - how quickly is a different matter, especially with the lack of continuity some people have due to time/financial reastraints.

maximum - I apologise for my poor spelling but I had been sniffing a few wine gums last night - I had also never heard of the word in question so I actually thought I has cut and pasted it from the earlier post, so how it ended up mispelt I don't know

And you are right - I have never been involved in a training role I have only been trained alongide others of varying abilities. If that precludes me from offering an opinion on the subject then quite a few posts on this entire website will have to be removed. You obviously have greater knowledge of training and feel that your point is more vailid - fine but it is only your point and I do not have to agree with it. If you could come up with some slightly more persuasive arguements than "your statement is utter " then I might change my point of view (learning from other people is how statements are formed and changed all of us have done nothing more than state our position - I am aware that I have no triumphant story to back mine up with but yours would be more persuasive with some backing too for example how many people drop out of a £70,000 integrated course having spent £50,000 already would be an exmple of someone who really can't complete the course. Those who cease training at PPL level wouldn't really prove the point either way because I would state they gave up too soon and you would stse that they were untrainable).

And I do respect my job, it is a very responsible role and I have worked hard to get there. That doesn't change the fact that I think that the minimum legal standards required to get there could be achieved by most people with enough time, effort and money. Most people could also be a doctor - medical school is predominantly a memory test, it just takes a lot longer and (in my opinion) more effort. It doesn't mean in either case that the individuals temprament is ideally suited to the job or that they will be the best person for it I just think that flying isn't the unachieveable skill that many holders seem to believe it is. During my training I noticed that those in my crammer groups who thought that the ATPL exams were a pinnacle of achievement (and equal to a degree I've had that discussion - they are 14 multiple choice exams that can be finished in 6 months or less if you can devote the time to it!) tended to be those who had not worked at school and for the first time were working hard and regularly at an academic subject. Well done (and I don't mean that sarcastically) but the fact that one person may have struggled doesn't mean that the exams are either unachievable or too hard it just means that one person had to devote more time to passing.

If you want to add some constructive backing to the points raised in the previous posts then please feel free - otherwise can we agree to differ and get back to the question in hand with differing points of view as I am sure this is getting very tedious for everyone else!
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