Steepclimb it's been my experience that the people who get ahead in this business are not those popular types you refer to, but rather those who are driven by ambition such that they will back-stab, back bite, climb over, undermine, lie cheat and steal their way to the top. Just look at the Guvnor for instance. Now theres a guy who's got what it takes to make it big in aviation. <img src="eek.gif" border="0">