You tell him Shrike. The funny thing is SAA sent its cadets out with Ross Air to gain experiance. Wonder what they were thinking at the time? Maybe us guys in the bush do pick up some good skills. Be careful of knocking some thing you don't understand. Look at it as you like the employment policey of SAA defies reason. We are in an industry where safety must come first so the best person must do the job, not the one who fits the P.C. profile best.