EKKL... This is the PROFESSIONAL pilots.... network, and there's no need for bad language thank you.. It figures that the people on here are, somehow, mixed up with the aviation industry. WE all understand - it's you outsiders who don't. Oh yes, as well as being an avid spotter I spent nigh on 40 years in the aviation industry and the only "hip" I know about is the one that pains me when I'm on the running machine...