data-lynx i agree with you in theory about the whole fj rep when it comes to camping out but you can't tar all of them with the same brush as again the decisions come from up top i.e. old school boys... E3 guys are definitely more of the same mentality as some fj guys but then there's the same sort of rivalry within the fc branch between 1acc & E3 crews as there is between say the harrier & other fj guys.
as for wyler, not sure there's any call for that now is there?