Scran.. yes know about that, but they are just taking the easy out. Like everything else over the past 10 + years. The only things that ASA do is what they want to do and not a bit more.. .There is only one item that has come about in the last 12 years that was an industry initiative and that had to be fought for. The whole issue of the PRD report has been raised again, just this month, so it will be interesting to see how and who wants to bury it this time.