ALPHA 41, KAPITAN M and those expressing like views about NZ, ANZ, and NZers in general (along with being anti Poms, refugees, etc) are sorry, sad people. This NZer sees no point in this forum for any Kiwi aviator...good hearted banter, healthy rivalry, is all well and good fun - but the blind ignorance and xenophobic bigotry as exemplified by the above posters and some others is beyond what is acceptable in civilised discourse. Goodbye all.