'B' as a u/t two things used to make the blood run from my face, one was a West Coast 707 off of 10R when I was Director and the other was a Spantax CV990 when I was u/t on Talkdown. How I used to dread my monitor asking "would you accept a talkdown for controller training" knowing that he would not do a thing he was told and all at about200kts.