Hmmm thanks BRL,had a look,it seems to list all the dammed camera but this one,and the downloads seem to be updates for the sofware not the utility itself which I recal now was called Camedia, far as I can see this bloody camera is useless without the software to download pickies to yer puter,tiz a truth universaly accepted that all nephews are prats and ingrates.
Thanks anyway BRL one shall continue ones quest.