Spuds don't feed the trolls. These pocket protector wearing, Flight Sim loving, ribena drinking, towling hat wearing, VFR types sprout the same rubbish the world over. We do not need to convince them of anything, they need to convince us. Don't waste the time. Their whole argument is based on the most selfish of premises. I am sure they are the types that park in disabled zones because 'The Man' is trying to take their rite to park their car where ever they want.