Thanks for the input. I'm still happier with the description VRS although recirculation is ok but settleing with power still doesn't do it for me.. .High power setting = ok, a certain ROD is ok but where's the settleing in that? Keep going, I still believe you lot landed on the moon but this won't wash.. .. .Blackhawk down: I think the biggest problem with American tactics is that they don't let the right people do the job. As was said, the commander on the ground is 'the' man, when you start introducing a long winded chain of command where everybody has a say relying on on the spot communications, it's a recipie for disaster. Look at Vietnam, that war/conflict was run by politicians and the media and not by the Armed forces as it should be and we all know the results!. .The point was made about hovering around at 300ft/60kts in the immediate vicinity...well I ask you, what did they expect? The biggest threat to low level operations is the grunt on the ground with a rifle. Even the most revered F117 was brought down by a simple 40mm blasted in its general direction during the Kosovo campaign.. .Does anynone remember the nut that lived near Salisbury plain who used to throw things at low flying helicopters when flown over his 'house', I know he threw a hammer at a Gazelle once and even took a pot-shot with a shotgun at someone!. .Well if he nearly did it...... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />