Interesting comparison:. .Perhaps NL can describe SWP as it seems to be an americanism.... .Correction to your definition of VRS: 200'/min rod will suffice, you don't need a "high rod" to enjoy VRS <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> . .. .The quantum leap then, from VRS to Blackhawk down requires some imagination <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> . .My tenpenneth:. .I don't think the bravery of the individuals involved either on the ground or in the air, could ever be brought into question, however, when you look back over other holywood blockbusters defining glorious moments in american conflicts, one common theme prevails: the planners/managers/hierarchy all seem to have had labotomies(spelling) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> . .Perhaps they are paid by hollywood to organise cock - ups of mega proportions <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />