Well actually wizofoz , I'm very fortunate in that I can afford to fly in Business, and I always do on medium to long haul. What I was refering to was your flippant comment which failed to account for the fact that many can't afford Business Class, yet may have a valid reason for the need to travel long haul other than leisure!. I find your solution of accepting Economy discomfort or not travelling at all as a very immature solution.