TC, the warning about yaw rates with SAS off only highlights what I am saying - RAF and Navy Gazelles were flown for 90% of the time with SAS in so the pilots generally lacked the sensitivity to yaw control that non SAS pilots developed. Most NAvy and RAF Gaz drivers were ex Sea King or Wessex - the Sea King pilots were awful to convert to Gazelle on the QHI course as they tried to lead with pedal all the time and overcontrolled on the very light pedals (neck brace advisable).. .Eden - who cleared the Navy Gazelles for pedal turns to the left, loops and inverted pedal turns? it certainly wasn't the manufacturer or Westlands and it definitely wasn't Boscombe Down. Did someone in the FAA have massive balls and sign a Service Deviation or were people making it up as they went along? The Sharks always did a good display but I dont remember seeing any of the manoeuvres you describe.