Thanx for your replies. At the moment i'm flying the arrow but i'll be moving onto a multi, probably the seneca for my IR, and then back to a 172 or something like that for my FI. I have just a basic A4 kneeboard with my map on one side and my flight log on the other. I've recently "retro-fitted" it with those clip on pen holders but i don't think this $2 contaption is up to much