Robdean, The Helios thread was up to page 16 within 24 hours. Air France at YYZ was also up to 13 pages at the 24 hour point. In peru it seems there are 11 Americans and 3 Europeans and 50 (claimed) survivors. For Air France it seems that much of the early text was praise for the crew doing their job without really knowing wheter the crew had done well or not. I don't see much of that here for the TANS crew.