To NR Fairy,
Unlike LZ, There have been threads he has made comments in not related to this continual flawed reality Robbie crusade, and in such threads I have not made any input. Find them, and go look. But if he returns yet again to this flawed crap I WILL be there, just as he stated he would continue to bring it up. I need not argue the dynamics, for that has been done, we are now dealing with a obsessed person who delves deeper into the excuse bucket, bringing up more and more misdirection to get off topic.
This has nothing to do with respect, respect is earned. He certainly has not earned mine, nor do I care what he thinks of me, for at the very least I do not proclaim myself to be the aero god that he does. And you hav eseen no childish excuses from me when I have been pointed out as incorrect. As evidence late back last year I made a statement about elastomeric bearings, and it happens LZ informed me on some incorrect conceptions, I apologized after further reading and determining he was right. However you see no such behaviour from LZ. You get (refer to quoted part down below).
But I will not respect misdirection, and poor excuses to what is a closed issue on the topic except to the thread starter.
I will not except the weak justification that all here have to prove this flawed concept correct. Neither should any of you. If he cannot understand it, and plenty of people here have shown in different ways why it isn't, then it is over, for all we hear now is touted proposals, factual responses, and then a string of childish excuses.
He has the knowledge to know that he must go out and prove his concept correct himself, that will NOT happen for he would rather argue it thru books and silly excuses, and the flawed interpretations that he has made from them contributed to the beginning of this in the first place.
And he will never bring it into court against Robinson either, he will say he doesn't wish to do it, or it is a money issue (why not use all that $$$$ you seem to have LZ hmm? If it is so dire an issue, you will argue it to death but not take action?) Reason: he cannot prove it in court, for again, he has 0 data to support it, and that is the first thing the opposing lawyer is going to ask for...
LZ,
You are as flawed as your concept.
You would now have us believe you over the experts in the field because:
You have a long maint resume without any DESIGN experience to match them.
Because you are PAID far greater than any of us. (what a joke ... you have 0 credibility after using that one ...)
If you go back to many of my posts you will see that I have accepted the various explanations as being an alternate to the theory I was professing.
ROUND AND ROUND, RIGHT BACK TO THIS EXCUSE...
WE ARE NOT GOING BACK TO THIS NONSENSE !!!
PEOPLE HERE HAVE PRESENTED FACTUAL DATA TO CONTRADICT YOUR CONCEPT.
QUIT TELLING EVERYONE HERE THAT THE FACTS THEY PRESENTED TO YOU ARE AN "ALTERNATE THEORY" THAT YOU "ACCEPTED".
FOR THE RESPONSES ARE NOT. THEY ARE ACTUAL FLIGHT RESULTS THAT WE SEE EVERY DAY WE MOVE THE CYCLIC, SOMETHING YOU REFUSE TO GO OUT AND DO YOURSELF. OR ACTUAL PROVEN DYNAMICS, FOR WHICH YOU HAVE NO COUNTERARGUMENT BUT TO SAY:
But I have a large resume, I make more $$$, my detreactors cannot agree, well they do agree that you are wrong, refer back to Helmut fire's answer to your excuse on that.
WELL IF YOU HAVE SO MUCH MORE $$$ THAN US, THEN GO OUT AND FLY A ROBBIE FOR A TEST ARTICLE, QUIT THE EXCUSES AND GO FLY, GET DATA.
YOU HAVE NO "THEORY", YOU HAVE A FLAWED INTERPRETATION/CONCEPT BASED UPON A MISUNDERSTANGING OF COMBINED BASIC AERODYNAMIC PRINCIPLES. PERIOD.
AND AGAIN I REMIND YOU THAT YOU CANNOT CHANGE THEM INTO THEORY OR FACT WITHOUT FLIGHT TEST DATA, GO OUT AND GET SOME, FOR THEN WE MAY HEAR YOUR APOLOGY.
ARGUE YOUR BOOK READING ALL YOU WANT, BUT ALL HERE HAVE AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER REPORTED TO YOU THAT YOU ARE OFF, THE ROTOR DOESN'T DO WHAT YOU PREDICT.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP TIME.
Similarly, we are examining actual rotor dynamics, not philosophies about rotor dynamics, therefore there is likely to be one answer of fact, not many of different opinions. I go back to the question previously posted... have you asked yourself why universities, the Air Force acadamy and test pilot schools teach aerodynamic precession? Why would they merely teach "an opinion"?
Helmet Fire has done a excellent job of refuting your desire to make this a philosophical issue, so lets NOT bring it or the "alternate explanations(FACTUAL) to my theory(NOT THEORY,
MISUNTERSTANDINGS/CONCEPT)" up again.
Another weak misdirection, so now we are going to make it a philosophical issue with you?
You CANNOT learn, that is very apparent.
If the Lord God on high came down and told you you were wrong, I suppose you would add that statement to yotu "Alternate theory" list. I would love to see you argue it with God.
You are now a pathetic, arrogant, ignorant, old child, and haven't given a STRAIGHT response to any of the questions posed to you in this thread.
What tangent shall we see next PPRuNer's?
Will he claim some zodiac sign is not in the right location in the sky?
Will he claim that space aliens are purposefully controlling everyones minds but his?
We've seen just about everything else, and each time someone here has taken it out of the excuse list, current one was done by Helmet Fire.
[ 25 August 2001: Message edited by: RW-1 ]