It all come around to "macho-ness" 212Man.....and I am sorry...the 61 requires a man's touch....the 155 needs someone that can punch buttons. There are some who pride themselves upon making those two OBS's look like a computer controls them....when in fact...it is flesh and blood.....and brains doing it. That is the mark of being a pilot....and sets one a part from the systems operators. Plus the slick legged skirt wearers in the back is a plus too I guess. My experience was along the lines of having the OX or someone of his ilk back there to look at.