Orvil said in part
"Global Warming is happening if we like it or not (Aviate 1138 take note)"
Aviate 1138 says
Climate Change is happening and always has. Sea levels have been rising for the last 6000 years. Ice is melting in parts of Antarctica but is getting thicker in other parts! Greenland is still colder than in the 11/1200's. It was warmer in the 1940's too!
If we are going to help the 3rd world then let us use the huge chasm of wasted cash of the Kyoto Protocol countries and not throw it away chasing quotas we will Never keep.
When was the Earth's climate ever stable? Never.
Anyway less people die from excess heat than excess cold so what is the problem? And we haven't even reached the 1200AD - 1300AD temperature levels yet.
Despite Dr Dave's learned missives there are plenty of equally learned and even more qualified Scientists who disagree with his views.
If the Editors of Science Journals were less biased in their publishings you would read more papers whose findings contradict the present paranoia induced Global Warming presentations. Just damned statistics which get bent this way and that.
Just because the Guardian prints more dire predictions doesn't mean to say it will happen.
Tropical Rain Forests? Another Myth. The more important areas are the Savannahs which existed long before TRFs. The Amazon area of TRF didn't exist more than 13000 years ago. Tropical Rain Forests only help when they are growing in their early stages. Mature rain forest has too much decaying matter. If you want to help, don't cut your grass so short! Savannah grasses helped Mankind evolve, not emotive Rain Forest.
US$ 53,263,230,645+ have been spent to lower the Worlds mean temperature in the year 2050, using the Kyoto Protocol, by the amount of, wait for it....... 0.000552358 °C. Is it honestly worth continuing with this farce?
Recycling often wastes more energy sorting it out than not. Aluminium and Steel work reasonably well but glass other than just crushing it for aggregate uses a lot of energy in transportation, steam cleaning etc. By the time paper is recycled it's cheaper to use new 'grown for paper' wood. America has the same forest acreage it had 65 years ago but many more trees, as they have been planted closer together. I'm all for more hedges and trees to encourage more birdlife/insects etc. But if we could stop the French, Spanish, Italians, Maltese from shooting millions of migrating birds each year how much sweeter the dawn chorus would be? Then all UK cats should have bells on their collars and that would save 5 million small birds lives every year also.
Aviate 1138 Still unmoved by Kyoto or the emotive phrase "Global Warming"