Yep thanks for your support, i have no probs with anyone taking the rise from the bike i ride but i do object to anyone taking the p*** of a life i have chosen.Throwback?Maybe but i have the miles under my boots and now i hope to put the hours under them.V Twins, yes have to agree. Recent convert but now a big fan.I hope that we can close this topic now as i do not feel it is the right place for it, however many thanks for all those people who have given me advise and help on my orignal question.