Wotsyors,ya missing the point in my original post.I did say "some" pilots,not all.Because someone has a go at a few of ya,you think it naturally reflects on all of you.Well if you want to take offence to this,thats your choice.I was inittialy trying to understand the mindset of some pilots, who "CHOOSE" to speak to engineers in the headset like garbage.There is no need for this at all.