TC & Roofus I take your points, but firstly TC I do not think that I push it to far, In fact I have often been accused of the opposite! And yes I have landed in fields and completed the subsequent voyage report! But having held an I/R for some time, with the average experience level of police pilots going down due to various factors, SPIFR machines coming, why not qualify the pilots? Will the Police Federation stand by if another weather related accident happens. I think not, and neither do my collegues at work. And to pick up on one final point, if IMC is not allowed, with SPIFR machines in a number of consortiums now, surely pilots will not fly IMC just because the machine is capable? That is asking for trouble!