Thanks Guys. I was trying to get away from the old school mentality, what a shame if KA is no different. I figured with new aircraft on the way and a pretty young fleet that the working practices might be modern too. I do know however that its gonna be better than where i am right now. I got the nod for the pax fleet at HKG. They said most likely 330 Jan ish, but nothin definate. Anyway i'll keep my finger on the pulse and see how its looking before i apply for a P45. Thanks again.