t'aint. .. .I don't think you should be teaching students to flare like mad as they are lowering the lever. As we know, depending on the situation, every auto is different. When I used to teach autos I initially focused on the entry only:. .. .1. Get the collective down as positively/quickly as you can (but do it smoothly) and make sure it is all the way down. Otherwise game over.. .2. Control the yaw and don't let the nose drop, keep it where it was.. .. .These two must become INSTINCTIVE actions. I wouldn't confuse them with anything else until they had a good grip on doing that. Whether I am at 50' or 5000' those two initial actions are the same to me.. .. .Then follow on and get the basic auto (500' or higher) right, RRPM management, correct airspeed, into wind if possible, timing and amount of flare, touchdown etc etc. Once you get the technique right and later in their training, I think it is vitally important to take steps beyond that as an instructor.. .. .Food for thought:. .1. One of the best things you can teach any student is to UNDERSTAND WHY they are doing what your getting them to do. Never to blindly do something just because that's what they were taught.. .2. Develop their RRPM awareness and understanding: the importance of RRPM conservation, what factors affect RRPM in auto (ROD, loading/unloading the disc, DA, airspeed), what side effects does a high or low RRPM have on ROD. Eg If they think "Great my RRPM is at the top of the range" do they realise that also gives them a higher ROD to try to arrest later?. .3. Same thing with what you originally mentioned regarding ROC and power settings.. .. .Way too much to mention but lets all remember this: When we first got our licences, it was the absolute bare basics wasn't it? How much did we really learn (mostly by ourselves) over the next couple of thousand hours, and continue to learn? They are many times more likely to do damage to themselves due to their own lack of knowledge, skills, experience and decision making (pilot error) than due to the aircraft malfunctioning.. .. .We can teach them how to fly but how much do we teach them how to think?. . . . <small>[ 23 March 2002, 02:04: Message edited by: the coyote ]</small>