Passpartout, Yes x 2. The Javelin was a bit of a brute, in the climb and in the cruise, transit fit, the two aircraft had a pretty comparable performance. We would send the Jav on when a couple of hundred miles out from destination and they might be half a mile ahead after 20 minutes or so but when the descent clearance came they disappeared within seconds, the best descent performance you would ever see. The Valiant was the smallest of the V's and the slowest, cruising around mach 0.76 rather than the mach 0.86 of the other two.