Of course we bypassed F/Os could stomach flying with the DECs a little bit more easily if they weren't so uniformly useless. After having to jump through all sorts of hoops and build various giant lego toys just to get an F/O slot, it is particularly galling to have these wunderkinds come breezing through the interviews (where the standards are of necessity dropped significantly) and then have to guide them around the network where many of them are definitely out of their depth. OK, if the company wants to hire DECs, that's their perogative, but could they at least hire some good ones. Hey what about hiring 411A? He seems to know it all. Oh and thanks Che Xindamail, I never realised my priority was to make smooth landings, see? I am learning already.